Too many think a bale is a bale is a bale. That particular field also ran 80 bu. On average, you can expect to produce 5 - 200 bales of hay per acre, which varies based on the type of hay bales you produce (round hay bales per acre or square hay bales per acre) and a number of other factors, explained below. Hadn't even thought about that previously. Weight (pounds) = width (inches) x height (inches) x length (inches) x .008. I took a couple of bales from our 850 once to town to weigh them and the most they weighed is around 1500 lbs. Most of the time when you deliver hay we find narrow driveways. Yeah that is news to me, I would of thought that they would be the same. For every 1 inch of length only added, the hay will gain approx. In round numbers Mother Nature supplies roughly 50 lbs/A of nitrogen. [/quote Makes sense -- When you increase the width, you are increasing one dimension. For short distances on town roads the overall width is not an issue. . He wants to make 4x5.5 actually. 10 mile trips I can give 2 semis a run for there money. Many people forget that with wide bales there is more weight further out in front of the tractor or skidloader giving the impression of a heavier bale. bales especially round bales can have a large range of weight depending on the size of the bale and the tightness of the bale. However, many of these nutrients are returned to the land in the manure. There is no way a chain baler will pack them that tight.Until I see a weight slip I will not believe it. These rates can vary widely depending on the hybrid planted, yields obtained, how much of the stover is harvested, and rainfall patterns. More details can be found in fact sheet PM 3053B,Economics of Harvesting and Transporting Corn Stover. Stuart Don't you see Old has a built in scale on his tractor that weighs those NH 850 bales in at a ton or more. 518 Farm House Lane I have a 4x6 baler but only bale to 64"s tall. The 5 ft. wide by 4 ft. tall had a volume of 65 cu. We would need a higher set plate to pull that type of trailer every day. Lime $75=3 yrs.=$25 per Acre + $60 fertilizer = $85/6 per acre = $14.16 + $6 for owner + $25 baling cost = $45.16 per roll. This year we hand lots of rain, we got our fertilizer on at the right time and had nice weather for growing grass. Ricky Morris aka AGFARMER has an attractive operation. Bigger , heavier bales would have been a little much, possibly for a couple of our loaders too. Allows for some waste on bale OD, bad weather etc. Now you can sleep. I've talked to guys with 5wx6h bales that are only 5'6'' tall and that last six inches is everything with talking about volume on a cylinder shapped object. I use a 850 and the only time it rolled out a bale that was a ton the hay was to green to be baling . Using this factor, the weight in (wet) pounds of a large round bale of 20% moisture stalks can be estimated as follows: I use a 850 and the only time it rolled out a bale that was a ton the hay was to green to be baling . Then he gets to pay me more than I was asking. In addition, extra nutrients removed by harvesting must be replaced for future crops. Pretty sure I could move more bales than them with my semi if the haul got much over 10 miles away. "height": 57 I was more than happy to trade for a 4 foot in 1981. It didn't help as well that the guy didn't keep up on maintenance either. Height (diameter) first then width. We can make full 6' bales but they are too tall on a semi and too hard on the belt lacings. Corn stover can replace about 25 pounds of hay equivalent per day for a medium-sized cow with no calf nursing, or .375 tons per month. I'm losing the farm this fall and the fert is already spread. We had told the local NH salesman ,ahead of time ,we would be interested in a nice used baler if he got one at the dealership within the next year. "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", Just used a 52 ft flatbed 102 inch trailer. HERE if we put up 10% CP hay on a 28 day cycle, we are beating all the leaves off the grass. If you've got 22 1300lb cows that's 28600 lb of cows. I was thinking a 48 or 53 foot step deck and stack 2 high, but was also wondering how a long well detach would work out? }, Circumference of a circle = 2*pi*R =pi*D. Also feeding these bales recently. of Science and Technology I took a couple of bales from our 850 once to town to weigh them and the most they weighed is around 1500 lbs. ft. Hope this helps. - Quora Answer (1 of 5): A difficult question to answer because of many variables. If fences and water are adequate, stalk fields can simply be rented for grazing. As with any market, though, a price must be determined. Let us say that we feed small square bales of dry hay, that weigh about 40 pounds each. Have been using a 4x5 baler until this year, called the dealership yesterday to start the process of getting a 4*6 for this year. Are you putting width or diameter first on you sizes? There is no way a chain baler will pack them that tight.Until I see a weight slip I will not believe it. 30 miles, we don't waste the time hooking up a big truck. Now chain balers wont pack them very tight, We had a couple of NH 850s and they dont make half the bale that a JD Belt baler does. It is based solely upon moisture content and pressure. I bale with a 604 vermeer but the bales are only 5'9''-5'10''. How many small square-bales are in a round bale? My trailer hauls 7 at a time. "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", So, take the 141.3 cu/ft x 8 lbs = 1130 lbs per roll. Then move them to the hay shed or field storage 2 bales at a time with front and rear bale spears. This part of the equation is always changing due to different brand rollers and varying moisture content. At 5'6'' a 5 wide bale is only 118 cubic feet, only 5 cubic feet short of a full 4x6 bale When weve actually put our bales on a scale they come out to either side of 1400 lbs. There is always an "expert" here that doesn't like my per bale price. Easy talking net wrap off. That particular field was (in 1998) Climax Timothy. For example, a 5 x 6 bale would be 5 feet wide and 6 feet in diameter, and a 4 x 5 bale would be 4 feet wide and 5 feet in diameter. more per bale/load, but if you have to haul on any kind of heavily traveled road, 4' are nicer because of staying at 8' wide for a 2-wide load. 50x48 silage and 60x48 dry. Take 2000 and divide that by the sqft in a 6x5. this is the way i see it. Now the tricky part, knowing the density of hay. 30 foot straps wont reach over, so they fall off dont ask me how i know this. Also, all hay in the field will not weigh the same due to moisture content. We purchase our equipment with big long bales in mind. I can't think of anyone with a different size. Department of Economics Although rates vary widely, beef cows typically need about 2 acres per cow per month. How many round bales per acre can be produced? If you have a 500 lbs right in the bucket it is easier to lift than 500lbs hanging 10 feet out from the bucket. ft. Cattle will generally remove less stover than is removed by baling. TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. #1 What baler, what bale size, and how many can you make per hour? We have wide roads and farmers can usually haul them without much trouble from the LEOs. "userInteractionCount": 24 but im not doing thousands of bales per year either. I figure the alfalfa bales are right around a ton, as the front of my 7600 comes off the ground REAL easy. Wrapping round bales with plastic netting instead of twine adds about $1 per bale to the total cost. You'll understand then. I also never understood the half wrap, like 1 1/2 or 2 1/2, figured one side is always weaker than the rest. . Keep it a couple inches off the ground and it's low enough to unwrap. Used to haul a lot of hay 30 miles down the road. Equation: Estimated 4 tons per acre yield of 16% moisture hay at $200 per ton = $800 per acre value for all three cuttings; minus buyer's cost of harvest and weather risk at $324 per acre assuming three cuttings (Table 1); equals the buyer's maximum pay price: $476 per acre for three cuttings ($800 - $324 = $476). The scale never lies. 34 on a trailer gets you a full load. Would take over 2x as long to load and strap all the bales. My baler is a Hesston 560 and max bale weight is 2200. I baled for a customer who would regularly bale 3 cuttings of 80-100 small squares plus the first cutting of 3 rolls every year but he fertilized for it . I'm sure I could run with no straps but a couple of incidents that have happened over the 15 years I've been hauling them make me like to have a little help back there. per acre of 19-19-19. Now if your breaking off high priced green hay to the horse folks with 40hp hobby tractors then that makes sense, Question- on paper a 4x6 should contain more hay than a 5x5. In Example 6, that was estimated at $5.89 per bale, so the range of values for negotiating a selling price would be $5.89 to $37.40 per bale harvested. Here with native grass hay average between 1 and 1 1/2 tons to the acre. Plus, an additional 0.22 tons of DDGS are added. Also, all hay in the field will not weigh the same due to moisture content. In the ditches you will find there are a lot of times the windrow has to be on the slope of the ditch because of a sharp/narrow bottom. I dont haul them far enough to justify screwing around with that many straps anyways. There is no way a chain baler will pack them that tight.Until I see a weight slip I will not believe it. How many acres do people need for a round Bale of hay? Around our TX A&M U they receive a little more average annualrain than they do around Portland or Seattle. I think 4x anything is easier to haul. each is a conservative number. I do have a Notch 8 bale gooseneck hay trailer I occasionally use to move hay between farms or if I should buy some hay. I had some 4x5 bales from a local guy I bought, took extra work and had to feed everyday instead of every second day, I could unload them two at a time which helps, with the new tractor I could do 3 at a time. Lastly is my loader handles them better. Our smaller mixer really can't handle a bigger bale without it spilling over the top. Like everything it depends. Some research shows that removing stover can actually increase the availability of nitrogen to the succeeding crop. 2. I've talked to guys with 5wx6h bales that are only 5'6'' tall and that last six inches is everything with talking about volume on a cylinder shapped object. Help me see what I'm missing. 4 ft wide bales are easy to haul when stacked double across a trailer. But I'll save that for another day. Set the monitor at 70" for dry bales so they don't go oversize if I can't stop the tractor quickly enough in heavy windrows. Again thanks it certainly enjoyable to communicate with another hay farmer, Ricky Morris www.morrisfamilyalabamahorsehay.com. Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Round baler size. I would not be able to get in with the detach, the spreads will cross ditches better. "mainEntityOfPage": { I'm driving 20 miles and you're driving 110 miles. No if you set them on a semi and drop deck you had better be permitted, flagged and every row strapped. Dont have to strap a semi trailer with racks either. Bales are 5x6 net wrapped. Should have bought a 4x6 since you can always set the monitor to 4x5. I dont know if you looked at the event calendar or not but that has all the info on managing the fields except for maybe the amount of acres in each field, and the acreage vary between 5 and 8 acres each cutting. Now you can sleep. If cattle remove 1,500 pounds of stover during the grazing season, that is the equivalent of 1.25 bales. Burkett had the food. Cash rental rates for grazing corn stover are reported in Ag Decision Maker file C2-10, Cash Rental Rates for Iowa Survey. I?m in East Central Ks, I?ve run a 468 since 2013. Seems like everyone else in the area runs a 5' wide baler. The 4 ft. width by 5 ft. tall bales had a volume of 75 cu. At 5'6'' a 5 wide bale is only 118 cubic feet, only 5 cubic feet short of a full 4x6 bale When weve actually put our bales on a scale they come out to either side of 1400 lbs. We figure 8 5X6 rolls per ace per year, however, fertilizer and rain can make a big difference. Thanks! "name": "Yesterday's Tractor Co.", The number you show are cubic feet and not square feet. . Second is to sell. Your laws maybe different. Density matters The table shows the effect that bale size has on weight by using a 5 5 bale that weighs 1,100 pounds for comparison. Now chain balers wont pack them very tight, We had a couple of NH 850s and they dont make half the bale that a JD Belt baler does. $200+ fine without it. Many people forget that with wide bales there is more weight further out in front of the tractor or skidloader giving the impression of a heavier bale. Taking net wrap off while still on the forks is better because we are only 5'8" tall and can only reach so high up and a 6' bale would be much harder to unwrap. There is a rule of thumb that it requires 50 lbs N/ton of hay, and usually they are talking about 4 weeks between cutting. But most baler in this area are 5x5. We figure 8 5X6 rolls per ace per year, however, fertilizer and rain can make a big difference. The majority of storage and feeding loss occurs in the outer 6 inches in a large round bale. (1AC85F80-D605-483B-A17F-77285D5D4068 (full).jpeg). wheat and 60 bu. This is ~30% alfalfa on ground that has been hayed for decades and hasn't seen fertilizer in decades either. The cost to rake is slightly higher than the heavy yield. Now chain balers wont pack them very tight, We had a couple of NH 850s and they dont make half the bale that a JD Belt baler does. Typically 2 13ft swaths raked together. For every 1 inch of length only added, the hay will gain approx. I agree with wilson, 5 ton is pretty average here. Ill believe it, but hard to imagine about 500 gals of water in a 5x6 bale. In Ohio you can haul 2 4' bales sised by side on the truck, only one 5' bale as 2 are overwidth. }, With some kind of legume growing with the grass will increase the overall tonnage. }. And less than a minute to unload . actually i do measure. Question We are having a hard time finding small square hay bales to feed our horses, and as a result, we are going to start feeding round bales. Copyright 1995-document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) I put when I cut each field, what I sparyed it with, the amount of fertilizer, the cost of spraying and the fertilizer, and the amount of bales I got off each part of the field. Gonna have the weights on the front when I finish moving the bales off that field! The wet weight of a 20% moisture square bale can be estimated as follows: "@id":"https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=implment&th=182132", 4x5 bales are the best too sale. For 4 ft wide balers there is 12,100 ft per roll so even more rolls. As you say, have to assume things for each to start with. The maximum net value to the buyer can be estimated as the feed value ($62.25) minus the cost of harvesting and transporting the bales ($24.85), or $37.40 per bale, as shown in Example 7. Ya they are way nicer to haul and with today?s drivers and road traffic I?d much rather have a 4 foot if I was hauling them on the road. How many tons of Grass hay or small Square bales do you average per acre , per year , . How Many Round Bales per Acre Can Be Produced? I guess Olds baler is the only one that will do it and his hay is so good it s all the neighbors critters will eat . Being a goat herder I seem to attract others and they dont want the bigger bales either. { I agree with the financials of your neighbor. Table 4 compares the number of trips per acre required to move various size bales if 11,000 pounds of forage is produced per acre during the hay season. "It's been amazing," said Kyle Fontenot, regional agronomist for Bayer, in Louisiana. http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/ansci/livestoc/as1282w.htm Most of them are average of 8 lbs/cuft for baled hay. I seldom see hay sold by weight as it should be. Further trips get all rows strapped. I for sure know who is burning more fuel and if I'm going 10 miles I don't worry about straps. So things such as bale size,type of hay,moisture content and what kind of PRESSURE and amount of it will determine weight of a rd bale. I'm with you! Rates are usually set in advance by contract. At 5'10 there is only 106 c/ft so you lose almost a 100 lbs in 2'' of height when the bale is bigger. In small square bales about 8 tons/A is about the highest practical production. I like to bale 4x5.5. LOL. (based upon 8 lbs/cuft density) and the length staying at 5'. Feed serval with my truck and I can haul more hay with the 4 foot bale vs a 5 foot bale. When you increase the diameter, you are increasing two dimensions. volume (cuft) = (pie x radius square) x length volume = 3.14 x 9 x 5 volume = 141.3 cu/ft Radius is 1/2 of the diameter. If you have a good stand of alfalfa, good fertility currently, and will topdress removal rates of P & K then you could get by with about 15 acres total of hay baled for the winter. ft. You should allow 95 tons of hay per winter. What is stover selling for on the market. Dont forget to add in a stop at the coffee shop to tell everyone how much time you're saving hauling 7 at a time instead of 26-30. Don"t mean to argue, but when I figured this out awhile back I came up with a couple different figures. If you figure 37 bales, you will probably have hay left over. Mid Michigan How many bales per role do you get normally? I either had to haul them overwidth or haul very few on a load. I learned that the first year I used my NH850 and used first gear and boy did it make some heavy bales so heavy and tight I could not use a bale spike to pick them up and my ford 541 would not pick them up but instead it would lift one or both rear tires off the ground and that was with fluid on the tires and a back blade on with 6-85lbs suit case weights on the blade so those bales had to be up around 2000lbs or more Speed of the tractor when baling plays into it big time. The added cost to the corn producer would simply be the value of the nutrients removed. Response It depends on the weight of both the large round and small square hay bales. NH round baler and me with my 346 JD square.My squares are 39-44 inches long and about 65-75 lbs.There are 28 of . I sell rounds also, agree with guys below that 4 ft wide is best for selling and transport. Replacement costs of $.37 per pound for P and $.46 per pound for K and removal rates of 2.4 lb. Including front mount pump, controls and a frame stretch it was $65k CAD three years ago. What is the cost to the seller of harvesting the stover and replacing lost crop nutrients? Less than that and probably not. Hauled 23 bales most time. This part of the equation is always changing due to different brand rollers and varying moisture content. ft. Hope this helps. We do sell some at times , but we also feed considerably less hay than many with 5' wide balers on here. } The 5 ft. wide by 4 ft. tall had a volume of 65 cu. }, What, no triple stack yet?Those triple rows look like they could move some serious hay! We are usually haul 3 bales less on the detach but we own it already for other uses. and the bales are 61.5 inches wide by howerver tall you want them. "@type": "ImageObject", We also tear up a bale in the vertical mixer and dump back out until we get the amount of pounds we want for a feeding. Now the tricky part, knowing the density of hay. [/quote Makes sense -- When you increase the width, you are increasing one dimension. "publisher": { "@id": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/" You are safer figuring hay by weight rather than bales unless you know the weight of your bales. Check his web site. If you're only using them at home, and you have decent roads to pull a 10' load down, there may not be much advantage. ft. Go to a dealer or call one and ask. Posted 1/21/2018 19:09 (#6521776) Subject: Acres of grass hay per cow Southwest Illinois Trying to figure how much grass hay acres to rent for 2018 as I have never did hay before so how many acres would sustain a herd of 22 cow-calf cows for the winter (october-April ). "text": "Well ive been very curious as to how much volume is in each size of round bales. Corn stover is often sold after it has been harvested, usually as large round bales, large square bales, or small square bales. One is Im feeding goats and like the smaller bales for them. So an average 4x5 from my baler should weigh (62.8x14.5) 910 pounds. Maybe mine are 27 footers then. I'd suggest you check the length of the rolls you are looking at because I recall the length of the roll I bought being something like 6500 ft long. 4 wide here. Eronningen Posted 9/11/2015 08:00 (#4782931 - in reply to #4782921) If you use 30,000 lb of cows at 3% of their body weight per day, you will need 900 lb of hay per day.
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